Saturday, July 04, 2009

Breaking News--Homosexuality Can Be Cured!

Reacting to the Delhi High Court judgment,  Baba Ramdev says homosexuality can be cured ,, all you have to do is some yoga...

Jai Ho Ramdev Mahraj.. You have claimed a cure for HIV, Cancer and now you say Gays are sick... and some asanas can cure them of their "disease".. Run Baba Ramdev run.. Patent your revolutionary findings!

 

 

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pray that gays will now have the courage to withstand social pressure

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From: pest quest [mailto:roman2roman2002@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:53 AM
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dear sir,
i am an ordinary indian citizen, a gay, who realised his sexuality after marriage [ or would never have]. the trauma of leading a double life & cheating on his wife is not what any gay would want. yet, over the years, our conditioning [specially because of the criminal angle to male to male sex], has made us succumb to pressure & marry a girl, thereby ruining the lives of all involved. this judgement is a landmark judgement for the society at large, because it recognizes the individuality of a human being to choose how he wants to live his life in the society, without being looked down upon as a criminal.
i only wish & pray that gays will now have the courage to withstand social pressure & say an emphatic NO to hetrosexual matrimony, understanding that they have been given the freedom to choose by this judgement. gays should also remember that now their conscience will never let them rest at peace if they still choose to marry, inspite of the recognition of their choice by the society.
i wish to congratulate and thank all those gay activists who have suffered the brunt of coming out in the open to take up cudgels on behalf of closeted cowards like us -- to make india a better place to live in for gays, henceforth.
prashant
kanpur

Side Effectts of legalizing Gay Sex in india > shemalejasmin



Side Effectts of legalizing Gay Sex in india > all MSM and hidas Openly DO illaglly 
SEX WORK in public and hijads do all
BAD things like > stolen money from public and betting coustmers > mudering coustmers > betting coustmer now got 377
WHO stop bullshit of msm and hijads ??
89% of msm or GAY are PLHA or aids or STD ?  
Still want 377 legalizing GAY SEX >
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plz think before legalize 377 > shemalejasmin
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It's about all of us

It’s about all of us

Pratap Bhanu Mehta Posted online: Friday , Jul 03, 2009 at 0253 hrs

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/its-about-all-of-us/484966/

 

 

There come moments in the life of a nation when it has to confront its deepest prejudices and fears in the mirror of its constitutional morality. The Delhi high court’s judgment in Naz Foundation vs Union of India, decriminalising private, adult, consensual homosexual acts, does just that. The judgment is a powerful example of judicial craftsmanship. It is, unusually amongst recent judgments that are constitutionally significant, clear and precise. It embodies the right combination of technical rigour in thinking about the law, with a persuasive vision of the deepest values those laws embody.

There will be an appropriate time for a detailed legal analysis of the judgment. Many will, doubtless, latch on to the judgment as offending something called our tradition or our values. But to interpret it this way would be a mistake. What the court says is this. Under our constitutional scheme, no person ought to be targeted or discriminated against for simply being who they are. If we give up this value, we give up everything all of us cherish: both our liberty and our right to be treated equally. This judgment is defending our values. Simply put, the judgment says that the state has no presumptive right to regulate private acts between consenting adults. It protects privacy. That is our value. The judgment says that individuals should not feel so stigmatised that they are unable to seek medical help. That is our value.

The judgment is first and foremost a defence of liberty, equality, privacy and a presumptive check on state power. It is a feature of these values that they are secure only when they are enjoyed by all. Privacy cannot be genuinely protected if the state is given arbitrary power over some groups; equality cannot be realised if invidious distinctions between citizens persist; rights of liberty cannot be genuine if they apply only to all those who are alike. The essence of toleration is that each one of us can be safe from the fear of stigma, discrimination, persecution, only when all of us are safe; otherwise what we get is a counterfeit toleration. So let it be clear: this judgment is not about a minority, not about valorising a lifestyle, it is about the values that made us who we are as a nation. Neither the detractors of this judgment, nor its defenders for that matter, should forget the fact that it is in the name of a genuine common morality that this decision can be defended.

We should not minimise the fact that social change in matters as delicate as sexuality is difficult to negotiate in any society. The judgment is admirably tactful in pointing out simply one fact: the state has not been able to prove that it can demonstrate that serious harms result as a consequence of these privat acts. Claims of such harm are often causally unfounded, based on prejudice and often even less plausible than harms that result from many of the practices we do tolerate. At least on this much there is a consensus amongst the 126 nations who have decriminalised this practice before India. Even for those, otherwise uncomfortable, at least this much should be enough to ground the basic legal claim the court has made. There ought to be at least overlapping consensus on this point.

The discourse on toleration this has generated is revealing. There is the usual assortment of religious leaders who are appealing to their traditions. One thing should be clear: a claim can have no standing simply because it is made on the grounds of religion or, as in the case of the VHP, tradition. Without saying so, the court has made this abundantly clear. And it will be interesting if this secular logic is now followed through in all cases pertaining to equality and liberty. The court has fore-grounded personal autonomy as a constitutional value, and potentially set the stage for questioning community practices that impede this value.

The second strand of discomfort with the case is more interesting and could potentially be a resource in sustaining the social legitimacy of the judgment. This strand is not so much intolerant, but is simply uncomfortable at having to take a position on the issue. Its mode of tolerance is a kind of benign neglect, “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” This may not be a perfect normative position. Nor may it be an option in modern society. What they are resenting is not so much the decriminalisation, as much as the need to discuss and take a stand. They do not want to discriminate or stigmatise; what they would like is, to use an old-fashioned phrase, a certain modesty in sexual matters of any kind. This anxiety is in a more general sense inescapable. Our society will have to find intelligent ways of dealing with it. But it would be a mistake to necessarily brand this anxiety as a form of intolerance. In its own ways, this discourse of modesty might sustain the kind of tolerance that simply says, “Let it be.”

But now that the court has given a judgment, this very same diffident group would rather not have another polarising debate. Politicians rushing to overturn this judgment might as well take into account the fact that some seeming discomfort may not reflect genuine sentiment against decriminalisation. If you want a “traditional” argument you could say this. In India, tolerance, when it worked, was a product of a kind of benign neglect: to each its own. It is a colonial law that, by bringing the state in, went against the possibility. The court certainly has a vision of an equal and inclusive society, and it may be too far-fetched to say that all of us are ready for it. But at the very least, by getting the state out of private consensual adult relations, the court allows for this more modest, but not insignificant, kind of toleration to take place.

There will be other interesting technical implications of the arguments the court has used. Some will see in the court’s emphasis on non-discrimination grounds for greater state intervention in regulating relations amongst private parties. Others might argue that the court’s application of the “strict scrutiny” test potentially protects private parties from easy state intervention. But these are matters for the Supreme Court to resolve in different cases. But for now, we should be thankful that the court has shown great legal and moral clarity. There will be opposition from self-appointed custodians of tradition. But the

least we can do is say: accept the judgment and move on.

The writer is president, Centre for Policy Research, Delhi express@expressindia.com

 

 

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Friday, July 03, 2009

Catholic Christian groups in India set to challenge the 377 Delhi High Court verdict in the Supreme Court.

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LEGAL BUT UNWELCOME: Gays and lesbians in India are still not welcome in the religious places in India.

New Delhi: They might have won the battle in the court, but gays and lesbians in India are still not welcome in the temples, mosques or churches. The Catholic Christian groups in country are set to challenge the Delhi High Court verdict in the Supreme Court.

Reverend Stephen Alathara of the Kerala Catholic Bishop Council says, "We have been assured by Government Ministers that homosexuality will not be legalised. We will go to the Supreme Court against the verdict along with other catholic groups."

And it's not the just the church. Opposing homosexuality is one issue that has brought all religious leaders together.

Hindu Godman Baba Ramdev and Muslim Ulema from the Deoband have already cautioned the Government against legalising homosexuality.

"We will make sure that the Government will not bring any changes in the law," says a member of the famous Lucknow seminary of Firangi Mahal.

As decibels rise, the Government zeal to change the law is diminishing. A high-level meeting of the Home Minister, Health Minister and the Law Minister at the North Bloc failed to reach a consensus on the future course of action.

"We three ministers met to analyse Section 377 and we have analysed it. Now we will submit a small note on the same to the Prime Minister for appropriate action to be taken," says Law Minister Veerappa Moily.

There is no consensus among the ministers and if the debate reaches Parliament, the UPA Government will be at the receiving end from the BJP as well as parties like the RJD and the Samajwadi Party, which are also taken bitterly opposed to gay rights.

 

 

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The 3,500 odd members of the homosexual community in Pune are celebrating the Delhi High Court's landmark verdict

Legitimately gay and happy

By: Kaumudi Gurjar Debarati Palit

 

Date:  2009-07-03

 

Place:Pune

 

 

 

Pune's Homosexuals are planning to hold a grand queer parade on Independence Day

The 3,500 odd members of the homosexual community in Pune are celebrating the Delhi High Court's landmark verdict which rules that any sex between consenting adults should be considered legal.

So upbeat is the atmosphere among the gay-lesbian and transgender Punekars that they are planning to hold a grand queer parade, the first of its kind in the Pune, and that too on  Independence Day.

Gay parade
Zameer Kamble, a playwright, who's is partying with friends in Mumbai to celebrate the historic ruling, said, "We'll be participating in Pune's queer parade which will be organised on August 15. Later, we'll join the gay parade in Mumbai  on the following day."

Meanwhile, Sameer, a hairdresser from the city, said, "Though we are planning a queer parade, there are a lot of issues that will need some ironing out." Speaking about the way he plans to celebrate the ruling, Sameer said, "I'll be spending the evening with a group of friends where we'll pay tribute to those who have worked for our cause all these years."

For several homosexuals, yesterday's judgment is merely one battle won in their long war against widespread sexual bias.

Kapil, a transgendered individual, who's associated with Samapathik Trust, a NGO, said "I have been living with my partner for last seven years and people from for the neighborhood used to object to our decision. But now, after the ruling, we can stay together without worrying about anything."

While Bindumadhav Khire, president of Samapathik Trust, said, "It's commendable that the judges have now understood that denying homosexuals their right to express themselves sexually is in fact a gross violation of human rights."

When asked about the resentment of some fundamentalist groups and political parties on the verdict, members of the homosexual community in Pune told these reporters that they are more than willing to continue the fight.

 

 

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Hinduism does not condemn gay people: UK Hindu Council

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Hinduism does not condemn gay people: UK Hindu Council

Agencies Posted online: Friday , Jul 03, 2009 at 1311 hrs

London : The Hindu Council UK welcomed the Delhi High Court's historic judgement which decriminalised consensual homo sexual relations and said Hinduism does not condemn gay people.

British Hindu homosexual community will welcome the news that their brethren in India are now be able to enjoy the same freedom as they do here, Anil Bhanot, General Secretary Hindu Council UK said. It is indeed good news that people are not discriminated against because of God's laws of nature. Bhanot said the Hindu scripts describe the homosexual condition to be a "biological one, and although the scripture gives guidance to parents on how to avoid procreating a homosexual child, it does not condemn the child as unnatural.

"Hinduism prescribes 16 ceremonies to mark each major stage in one's life span. We would usually observe the birth, name, adolescence, marriage, retirement and death ceremonies but there is a little known ceremony called the "insemination" ceremony or the Garbhadan Sanskaar, which I am sure nobody observes now-days."

Bhanot said, "This insemination ceremony talks about homosexuality. The ancient Rishis or prophets advocated that there are two elements, fire (agni for sun) and water (soma for moon) which determine the sex of a child.”

"Of the 16 days from the end of the menstruation cycle, sexual intercourse for the purposes of procreation was forbidden on certain days as during these days the menses may continue."

The theory goes that if insemination takes place in the night of an even number from six to 16, a male child will be born whilst on an odd number of fifth, seventh, ninth and 15th night a female child will be born, Bhanot added.

"The scripture further forbids insemination on the 11th or the 13th night after the end of the menstruation cycle because then it says the child will be homosexual," he said.

According to the scripture the sex of a child is determined by whether the fire element is dominant or the water element is dominant. Thus during those even nights the fire element dominates giving a male conception and during those odd nights the water element gives a female conception.

However, if the fire element equals the water element then a homosexual conception takes place, Bhanot said. "The point here is that the homosexual nature is part of the natural law of God; it should be accepted for what it is, no more and no less.

Hindus are generally conservative but it would seem to me that in ancient India they even celebrated sex as an enjoyable part of procreation, where priests were invited for ceremonies in their home to mark the beginning of process.

In fact King Dasharath, who fathered Lord Rama around 2100 BC had one of the most lavish insemination ceremonies.

"Homosexuals are full human beings, who in Hinduism even worship their own deity, the Mother Goddess Bahuchara, for their spiritual link to the Absolute Brahm.

 

 

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The man I picked up proceeded to rob me in my own house: robbed me of my shoes, my money and left only after I wrote him a cheque for yet more money.

It feels good to be legitimate'

Gay men celebrate the ruling in Delhi

The ruling decriminalising homosexuality is a boost for India's beleaguered gays

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8130339.stm


The ruling by a court in India decriminalising homosexuality has provided a boost for the country's beleaguered gay community. Sunil Mehra, former editor of the Indian edition of Maxim magazine, on what it means to be gay in India.

"I remember my moment of truth.

"The man I picked up proceeded to rob me in my own house: robbed me of my shoes, my money and left only after I wrote him a cheque for yet more money. I was up all night. Fretting. Pacing. Dying. And being reborn.

"Come morning and I had made my decision. I hit the bank opening time and instructed the authorities to stop payment on the cheque. The decoy - policemen often set up decoys sending gigolos to meet gay men in India- brazenly stormed right back into my house after being turned down at the bank. I was ready for him. With fisticuffs. And a new found resolve to NEVER be afraid again. The law was not on my side. But from then on I was.

"In another time, another place the law would have been on my side. Circa 1985 only I was.

"In a closed patriarchal society where homophobia raged -and rages right on- the threat of blackmail and exposure turned grown men into blubbering nervous wrecks.

Policemen look on at gays celebrating the court ruling in Delhi

'Police in India often harass and extort from gay people'

"Cut to 1993. Writing for a weekly news magazine that prided itself on its yuppie, 'with it' credentials. In the air-conditioned editorial offices of these opinion makers spilling over with well paid professionals, small town India seemed so far far away.

"The reality check came in an edit meet spent debating the merits, content, timeliness of a cover story on homosexuality in India. The tone of the discussion was set by the suave, debonair, cigar chewing, tennis playing publisher/editor. 'Lets face it. They ARE deviants,' he said.

"Moral of the story: a society's laws are as good as its citizens. You get the laws, the country you deserve.

"For many of us the journey from the 377 (Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code defines homosexual acts as "carnal intercourse against the order of nature") world to a non 377 world is marked by innumerable, significant, intensely personal milestones that someday will constitute the history of a much-maligned minority.

'I'm a good man'

"Through it all its been an effort to hold one's head high, walk lonely but proud and repeat ad nauseum to oneself: I'm a good man. I love my family. I take care of animals. I do not lie. I do not cheat. I believe in God. I earn my living. I pay my taxes. And it's really my business who I sleep with. I could do far worse. Believe me I could. God knows, many others do!

Gay men celebrating the court ruling in Delhi, India

'The threat of blackmail turned grown men into nervous wrecks'

"Friends, family have kept the faith. Offered unconditional love and support. One's unique social, professional, economic circumstances and privilege have offered shelter, cocoon, insulation even. But the new post 377 world offers hope to the millions of others who do not share the same privileges I do. They can feel normal again.

"The policeman who extorts gays is rendered powerless because the system has empowered them: acknowledged their right to exist, to live a life of dignity and never be intimidated again. To be mainstream. And that's important.

"It's also important to laugh. As we did this morning.

"I called my partner and gave him the news on the law being repealed.

'We are legal Navtej,' I laughed.

"He joshed right back: 'Hmmm well the marriage wasn't legal. Lets get divorced. Now, that would be legal!'

"It feels good to be legitimate in the textbooks again."

The author is the former India editor of Maxim magazine

 

 

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India media hails gay sex ruling

India media hails gay sex ruling

Indian newspaper front page on the court ruling on decriminalising homosexuality

The papers say that the ruling is not 'the end of the battle' for homosexuals

The Indian media has hailed a ruling by a court ruling decriminalising homosexuality in the country.

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The ruling on Thursday overturns a 148-year-old colonial law which describes a same-sex relationship as an "unnatural offence".

Homosexual acts were punishable by a 10-year prison sentence.

Many people in India regard same-sex relationships as illegitimate. Rights groups have long argued that the law contravened human rights.

India's Gay Day, headlined The Times Of India

"..this historic ruling could act as a catalyst, encouraging our legislators to shed their blinkers and take a more progressive view on the issue," the newspaper said.

"In 21st century India, it is perverse to penalise adults for their sexual choices."

'Giant step'

Describing the ruling as a "giant step towards globalisation", the newspaper said India had become the 127th country "to take the guilt out of homosexuality".

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It's okay to be gay, headlined Hindustan Times

Section 377 of the colonial Indian Penal Code, defines homosexual acts as "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" and made them illegal.

"It took 150 years for us India - and 42 years after Britain itself had made homosexuality legal- to figure out that we didn't have a problem with same-sex relationships," Hindustan Times said.

The newspaper said "homosexuality and heterosexuality aren't divisive, emotive issues in Middle India - sexuality is, especially when it concerns women and their perceived behaviour in a still male-dominated, anti-woman society at large".

Sexuality Equality, headlined The Indian Express

"Can a modern democracy intrude upon the private domain of consenting adults on the grounds of 'moral indignation'?," the newspaper wondered.

The newspaper said that the Delhi ruling "may not be the last word on the matter".

Gay people celebrating the India high court ruling in Delhi

Rights groups have long campaigned for a repeal of the law

"But the government must read it for its enlightened constitutionalism".

Writing in the same newspaper, urban policy analyst Gautam Bhan said the ruling was victory for democratic India.

"The judgement should be seen by all of us, gay or straight, no matter what we think of sexuality and homosexuality, as a victory for a secular, democratic, constitutional and free India," he wrote.

"We should all be proud".

Gay and Finally Legal, headlined Mail Today

"Remember that in the end this is a judicial pronouncement that should serve as law only in the absence of legislation," the newspaper said.

"An overhaul of the law lies in the domain of the Parliament".

DNA said that the ruling was the "first step" in a "long battle ahead".

".. there will be reactions against this judgment. Religious groups have protested. But while their right to a point of view is acceptable, to bring religion into this debate is wholly unnecessary - this has to be a social and legal debate."

Sexual revolution in India headlined The Asian Age

"The symbolic significance of this judgement is beyond measure," a writer on the newspaper said.

 

 

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