Friday, August 21, 2009

Married Gay Men and their social implications Ashok Row Kavi

Married Gay Men and their social implications

Ashok Row Kavi

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Thursday, August 13, 2009, (New Delhi)

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One of the most common problems I've faced as a community counselor is of married gay men and their issues. I still remember a young married man who wished to know how to "balance" his life with a wife at home and a male lover in the army, of all things. The issues got sticky as the army lover wanted to come and meet him at home now knowing that along with the parents he would end up meeting his "stepwife" (suatan in Hindi).

In a very forgettable instance, I remember a young man planning to marry a woman knowing full well that he would not meet his conjugal obligations. The idea behind the marriage was to grab an apartment offered by his employer at a throwaway prize for only their married employees. The plan was to divorce the hapless woman after a year and get in his gay lover to live-in an ever-so-happy pink future. When I pointed out that a divorce might mean the wife getting the apartment besodes alimony payments, he asked me about pre-nuptial contracts. When I said they were illegal everywhere in the Union of India except in Goa, he huffed out of the office and never returned, till eight years after he walked in a bitter man very sick with AIDS related complications.

The sad stories are still continuing and seem to provide an endless drama of sorrow and tragedy. My community based group, the Humsafar Trust, does what are called "tracking interventions" every 18 months. These are structured questionnaires which are answered by random men in sex sites through what are called "time-location- clustering", a social marketing techniques to get some credible information about any population.

What came about was startling. Around 50 to 55 per cent of men-who-had-sex-with-men (MSM) were mostly also having sex with women, Of these around 25 to 30 per cent were heterosexually married to women. Besides, all these bisexual men were having two female partners on an average every month and on an average these men were also having sex with between 5 and 7 male partners a month. In other words, there was a huge bridge MSM population that was having sex with both men and women.

Now just suppose that the HIV or STI prevalence among exclusive gay men was a high 20 per cent. This "high pressure zone" was the tank from which HIV and STIs "flowed across the bridge of bisexual men into the female population. That being the case, the government's HIV prevention programs had to be made more integrated by asking MSM to use condoms with both men and women. Besides, the female partners, the wives of MSM also had to be treated for STIs to prevent what was called "the ping pong effect".

In this, if the man alone went for treatment without getting his wife also treated, she might re-infect him even if he did not have sex outside marriage with men or women. The NACO's programs in Phase III of the National AIDS Control Program (NACP III) finally got on board the wives and female partners of MSM. However, it is the social implications of gay men married to women that will become more obvious as the days go by.

Men get married not only to reproduce and have stable social relationships but also for inheritance and familial stability. I many joint and extended families, young men do not get powers of attorneys in family business' till they are married and become "responsible house-holders". The imperative to marry is sometimes greater on men than women despite the fact that a single woman is more stigmatized than a bachelor.

However, as Section 377 is read down and society "unravels" into liberal globalised economies, things will rapidly change. It is not un-common to see parents now groping with young men who bring him their foreign male spouses to introduce them to parents. Also men living as "single" gay men in other cities cities also feel they have more space to have relations with both sexes without being hauled over to be forced into "arranged marriages".

Whatever it may be, the future will be fraught with a lot more social heartbreak, need or counseling and "upstream marriage services" before the dust settles after the re-interpretation of Section 377. The main goal though should be a mentally and physically healthier society, never mind the ranting and raving of the loony Right wing forces..

 

 

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Married in Public, Gay in Private--NDTV show tonight-Friday night 9.30 pm

Married in Public, Gay in Private
By Sutapa Deb, Wednesday August 19, 2009

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Not many people would have paid attention to an item buried in the newspaper about a murder most foul in the crowded textile city of Kanpur - a murder apparently prompted by a surreptitious relationship.
 
Rajendra Kumar Dwivedi was 38-years-old and married to Shakuntala for 15 years. The couple had no children.
 
Dwivedi had not held a regular job for some time. Four years ago he struck up an unlikely friendship with a man from a different economic and social background. He was the Deputy Chief Medical officer of Allahabad, Dr K D Raj Srivastava. The doctor was married and had a 28-year-old son.
 
Dwivedi's family says it was an adulterous gay relationship, but neither men were out of the closet.
 
Dwivedi died of head injuries on July 20 after he was allegedly beaten by the doctor's son
 
While the police are investigating the case, the doctor and his son are absconding.
 
The murder pointed to a disturbing and hidden phenomenon of men who engage in sexual activity with other men, regardless of the fact that they are married to women and have children. None of these men are known socially as gays or bisexuals.
 
There is now a supportive and vibrant gay movement in the country, yet only a small population is visible and identified as gay.
 
Many men who have sexual relations with other men do not consider themselves as gay nor are they labelled so by others.
 
The meaning of gay is often mistakenly associated with the stereotype of men who are effiminate or transgenders.
 
There is a diverse group that is not taken into account. Now public health professionals have started using the term MSM to refer to all men who have sex with other men, whether they identify themselves as gay, bisexual, transgender or heterosexual.
 
Though there are no precise numbers of MSM, the numbers are believed to be surprisingly large.

Many live as heterosexuals among their community, marry and have children.
 
Those who were not married, would eventually get married.
 
Little data is available, but there is anecdotal evidence from MSM who visit cruising sites, gay bars and gay parties to meet others.
 
The issue of being married in public, gay in private raises a range of ethical concerns, particularly those involving their wives.
 
But as we speak to a crosssection of MSM, we find an unwillingness to explore these concerns in depth. It stems from their understanding that THEY are the victims...having been pushed underground by a society that has stigmatised male to male sexual relations.
 
Last month the Delhi High Court overturned Section 377 of the IPC, which criminalised gay sex between consenting adults. It was a victory but the reality on the ground is slow to change and negativity around MSMs continues to exist..
 
They say that to belong to the mainstream, the straight world, and to maintain bonds with their families and community, they are compelled to marry.
 
In South Asia, marriage is compulsory for social and religious reasons. Some choose to marry since in a patriarchial society, there is convenience in marriage. It also provides the perfect cover.
 
With MSM leading double lives, a majority of wives remain unaware of these clandestine encounters for years.
 
Little is known of what they go through when they learn their trust has been betrayed.
 
We find MSM are candid about their personal lives, but reluctant to allow us to meet their wives, even in cases where they are out of the closet to them.

Watch our special show, Married in Public, Gay in Private, Friday at 9:30 pm (IST) on NDTV 24x7.

 

 

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Thursday, August 20, 2009

I don't blame Baba: Manvendra

I don’t blame Baba: Manvendra

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There's one thing about Baba Ramdeobaba! He has this endless penchant for getting into controversies.

Prince Manvendra Singh Gohil

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Prince Manvendra Singh Gohil



After calling homosexuality a 'mental and psychological disease,' the yoga expert has now gone ahead and publicly claimed that 'this disease can be cured through yoga and pranayam.' As these statements cause a lot of furore in different quarters, Prince Manvendra Singh Gohil, country's first royal to go public about his sexual preferences, tells NT that he's ready to take up Baba's challenge head-on!

‘I don’t blame Baba, but his ignorance’
The prince of Rajpipla, who has also been featured in Oprah Winfrey show, blithely refutes the "tall claims made by Ramdeobaba." He reiterates his point, saying, "I'm also a trained yoga teacher and have been practising it for almost 25 years now. The first yam of Ashtangyog is satya, which means acceptance of truth. Asanas are the fourth step of this ancient science. When Baba is faltering at the first step itself and rejecting the basic principle, obviously his foundation is weak! Moreover, he hasn't done any study on homosexuals, whereas I have been closely working with the community for HIV/AIDS awareness for the past 10 years through my NGO. In fact, initially I was surprised to know that even doctors weren't aware about the problems and issues of the homosexuals because our education doesn't equip them with this knowledge. So, I don't blame Ramdeobaba, I only blame his ignorance!"

‘Cure me if you can!’
Ignorance or not, but now that baba has thrown down the gauntlet, Will Manav (as the prince is popularly known) take up the challenge? He answers without a moment's hesitation, "Of course! Anytime! I am ready to stay at Baba's ashram for even one year if need be! Let him cure me if he can!"

It's time to steer his thoughts to some happier incidents, the recent gay parade in Mumbai for instance, where his presence attracted a lot of attention from the world media. Manav immediately perks up and says, "Despite the swine flu fear, at least 2000 people walked in this parade and many of them were our 'straight' supporters. It was heartening to see the parents walking with their gay children and doctors, engineers, lawyers supporting us. With Delhi High Court endorsing our cause, the social support is coming our way in abundance and we are no longer the criminals!"

My boyfriend's from Nagpur’
The prince has another reason to smile these days. The royal, who has been longing for love for years and even went to the UK in search of love, has finally found his soul mate. He surprises us with his revelations, as he says, "I have found my true mate and boyfriend in Prajwal, and he's from Nagpur. We are in a relationship for the past few months and Prajwal, who's working for a well-known pharmaceutical company, has also told his family about us." Now that the congratulations are the order of the day, is he also planning to adopt a child anytime soon, as he had declared sometime back? "I will adopt a child eventually because our centuries old lineage requires an heir to carry out special social and religious duties. The question of adoption will arise only at the time of my succession," says Manav.

Celluloid calling!
Succession issues may not be imminent on his horizon, but what about the film that was being planned on his life? To this the prince says gleefully, "There are plenty of films coming up and all have been inspired by my life. There's an English film, an American film and also a documentary film by an Italian filmmaker coming up based on my life story. I'm waiting to see how they are presented."

 

 

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Tuesday, August 18, 2009

How many do you think we are? A small report on Aug 16, 2009 Mumbai pride parade+ 195 pics+3 videos

 

 

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“How many do you think we are?”,  asked Anand Grover pointing out to the huge procession at  the pride parade yesterday (16th August 09) as they started marching from August Kranti Maidan in Nana Chowk taking the road to Mumbai’s Chowpatty beach. Grover , by the way, is the one who heads Lawyers Collective and is the brain behind the Delhi High Court victory.

 

“I heard the police say in his wireless 500 people of which he said 100 belong to the tritya jaati ( third sex)”,  I told Anand.

 

“500? No way just look properly.. may be 5000”, said Grover, looking distinctly pleased. And then I looked again properly, and realized that it could not  be just 500.  The riot of colours, placards and slogans  were stretching at least  half a km long.

 

And I had to revise my earlier estimates of  500. In my reckoning may be around two thousand.

 

And that’s huge. Never mind the muggy sweltery weather… Never mind the swine flue scare, never mind that it was a extended holiday, never mind that Central/Harbour  Railway services had virtually shut down and were not moving an inch beyond Wadala and Dadar…  both  the places pretty far off from the  parade venue. Never mind that many from Pune did not come because of the swine flue problem..

 

The weather was LOUSY. Yet, the hot  and muggy weather  did not stop the LGBT and their well wishers  in Mumbai taking to street on Aug 16. They turned out in huge numbers. There were celebrities like Celina Jaitely, Alaque Padamsee, Model Carol Gracias,  Professor Nandini Sardesai ( Rajdeep Sardesai’s mother)... There were many more. It was heartening to see  so many non LGBT persons  come out in support of the community. Celina came pretty late, some 45 minutes past  3 pm,  when the procession was supposed to start at 3 pm. But she did make up for it… and gave a  nice speech asking gays to  march ahead and that she would be there for the LGBT community now and for ever. Right to the end till the procession reached Chowpatty,  Celina danced , cheered and turned out to be a show stopperJ

 

The LGBT leaders too were out in full force. Ashok Rao Kavi, Prince Manvendra, Vikram Doctor, Dee, Swapan, Dibs --and all leading lights of Gaybombay, Vivek Anand and Nitin Karani of Humsafar, Anand Grover,  Laxmi Tripathi… the list is indeed long.

 

So what did I see? Umm lots of plunging necklines  ( as you can see In some of the pictures..  and no I am not a closeted heterosexual or bisexual),  wigs  and plumes and feathers of all shape, size and colour, colorful masks, hundreds of placards that had very creative  slogans which would have  made a copywriter proud.   Those who participated  had adorned themselves in all kinds of clothes.. from traditional Indian clothes to use of saplings and  tree branches  covering the body parts strategically. Fashion designers must have really worked hard for this parade because some of the dresses on display  were the ones that you could only see on the ramp… and  may be you and me would not have the courage to wear it outside… but people did and boy they carried it off with a panache!

 

And oh yes, the dance and merry making.. the loud beat of the drums and the swirling figures  breaking into impromptu dance  every few minutes .. with gay abandon.. it  was  proof enough to believe  that the gay community is  indeed happy and gay or may be vice versa. Even  one  good looking constable (oh well good looking for me at least)  who was trying to guide the procession was breaking into a smile every few minutes even though his boss was yelling at him in Marathi and instructing  him not to let the procession stop on the way. “I am not going to allow this procession next year if you guys stop every few minutes and start dancing”, the senior Inspector scowled in Marathi at me and Anand Grover .  But, really who cared? It was our day.. the first pride parade in India after we were declared “legal”.. oh ok, the love making was declared legal if it was kept private and between two consenting adults by the Delhi High Court in July 09.

 

One look at the crowd and  it was as if hundreds of rainbows had come together. The composition of the crowd was  a mini India . And yes, class, creed , colour and religion took a back seat.  The divide between the so called upper class gays and the so called lower class  kothis  melted  in a show of solidarity.

 

For me the best part was towards the end.. when the procession had reached the shores of Chowpatty beach.  The gentle waves of Arabian Sea seem to just amble up to the shore. In stark contrast, a few hundred meters from the beach was  not so gentle, almost feverish dance  going on.. a huge group of  Karagattam transgender from Tamil Nadu   were  performing to beat of  traditional music (Karagattam is  a traditional folk dance performed in Mariamman (Devi) Temples of Tamil Nadu).  Never mind the low-end  garish make up, or their false braids.. the enthusiasm with which they danced to the  ebb and flow of drums and nads, vowed  the small crowd and  made me believe that we  can look forward to a better LGBT world because there are thousands out there who live for us and are willing to tell the world..  openly, defiantly  and proudly… that we LGBT are  as much human as the rest. ( see the last video.. I hope you like it as much I did).

 

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Monday, August 17, 2009

How many do you think we are?.. a small report on the 16th August 09 Mumbai Pride Parade + 195pictures and 3 videos

 

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“How many do you think we are?”,  asked Anand Grover pointing out to the huge procession at  the pride parade yesterday (16th August 09) as they started marching from August Kranti Maidan in Nana Chowk taking the road to Mumbai’s Chowpatty beach. Grover , by the way, is the one who heads Lawyers Collective and is the brain behind the Delhi High Court victory.

 

“I heard the police say in his wireless 500 people of which he said 100 belong to the tritya jaati ( third sex)”,  I told Anand.

 

“500? No way just look properly.. may be 5000”, said Grover, looking distinctly pleased. And then I looked again properly, and realized that it could not  be just 500.  The riot of colours, placards and slogans  were stretching at least  half a km long.

 

And I had to revise my earlier estimates of  500. In my reckoning may be around two thousand.

 

And that’s huge. Never mind the muggy sweltery weather… Never mind the swine flue scare, never mind that it was a extended holiday, never mind that Central/Harbour  Railway services had virtually shut down and were not moving an inch beyond Wadala and Dadar…  both  the places pretty far off from the  parade venue. Never mind that many from Pune did not come because of the swine flue problem..

 

The weather was LOUSY. Yet, the hot  and muggy weather  did not stop the LGBT and their well wishers  in Mumbai taking to street on Aug 16. They turned out in huge numbers. There were celebrities like Celina Jaitely, Alaque Padamsee, Model Carol Gracias,  Professor Nandini Sardesai ( Rajdeep Sardesai’s mother)... There were many more. It was heartening to see  so many non LGBT persons  come out in support of the community. Celina came pretty late, some 45 minutes past  3 pm,  when the procession was supposed to start at 3 pm. But she did make up for it… and gave a  nice speech asking gays to  march ahead and that she would be there for the LGBT community now and for ever. Right to the end till the procession reached Chowpatty,  Celina danced , cheered and turned out to be a show stopperJ

 

The LGBT leaders too were out in full force. Ashok Rao Kavi, Prince Manvendra, Vikram Doctor, Dee, Swapan, Dibs --and all leading lights of Gaybombay, Vivek Anand and Nitin Karani of Humsafar, Anand Grover,  Laxmi Tripathi… the list is indeed long.

 

So what did I see? Umm lots of plunging necklines  ( as you can see In some of the pictures..  and no I am not a closeted heterosexual or bisexual),  wigs  and plumes and feathers of all shape, size and colour, coloruful masks, hundreds of placards that had very creative  slogans which would have  made a copywriter proud.   Those who participated  had adorned themselves in all kinds of clothes.. from traditional Indian clothes to use of saplings and  tree branches  covering the body parts strategically. Fashion designers must have really worked hard for this parade because some of the dresses on display  were the ones that you could only see on the ramp… and  may be you and me would not have the courage to wear it outside… but people did and boy they carried it off with a panache!

 

And oh yes, the dance and merry making.. the loud beat of the drums and the swirling figures  breaking into impromptu dance  every few minutes .. with gay abandon.. it  was  proof enough to believe  that the gay community is  indeed happy and gay or may be vice versa. Even  one  good looking constable (oh well good looking for me at least)  who was trying to guide the procession was breaking into a smile every few minutes even though his boss was yelling at him in Marathi and instructing  him not to let the procession stop on the way. “I am not going to allow this procession next year if you guys stop every few minutes and start dancing”, the senior Inspector scowled in Marathi at me and Anand Grover .  But, really who cared? It was our day.. the first pride parade in India after we were declared “legal”.. oh ok, the love making was declared legal if it was kept private and between two consenting adults by the Delhi High Court in July 09.

 

One look at the crowd and  it was as if hundreds of rainbows had come together. The composition of the crowd was  a mini India . And yes, class, creed , colour and religion took a back seat.  The divide between the so called upper class gays and the so called lower class  kothis  melted  in a show of solidarity.

 

For me the best part was towards the end.. when the procession had reached the shores of Chowpatty beach.  The gentle waves of Arabian Sea seem to just amble up to the shore. In stark contrast, a few hundred meters from the beach was  not so gentle, almost feverish dance  going on.. a huge group of  Karagattam transgender from Tamil Nadu   were  performing to beat of  traditional music (Karagattam is  a traditional folk dance performed in Mariamman (Devi) Temples of Tamil Nadu).  Never mind the low-end  garish make up, or their false braids.. the enthusiasm with which they danced to the  ebb and flow of drums and nads, vowed  the small crowd and  made me believe that we  can look forward to a better LGBT world because there are thousands out there who live for us and are willing to tell the world..  openly, defiantly  and proudly… that we LGBT are  as much human as the rest. ( see the last video.. I hope you like it as much I did).

 

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How many do you think we are?.. a small report on the 16th August 09 Mumbai Pride Parade + 195pictures and 3 videos

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“How many do you think we are?”,  asked Anand Grover pointing out to the huge procession at  the pride parade yesterday (16th August 09) as they started marching from August Kranti Maidan in Nana Chowk taking the road to Mumbai’s Chowpatty beach. Grover , by the way, is the one who heads Lawyers Collective and is the brain behind the Delhi High Court victory.

 

“I heard the police say in his wireless 500 people of which he said 100 belong to the tritya jaati ( third sex)”,  I told Anand.

 

“500? No way just look properly.. may be 5000”, said Grover, looking distinctly pleased. And then I looked again properly, and realized that it could not  be just 500.  The riot of colours, placards and slogans  were stretching at least  half a km long.

 

And I had to revise my earlier estimates of  500. In my reckoning may be around two thousand.

 

And that’s huge. Never mind the muggy sweltery weather… Never mind the swine flue scare, never mind that it was a extended holiday, never mind that Central/Harbour  Railway services had virtually shut down and were not moving an inch beyond Wadala and Dadar…  both  the places pretty far off from the  parade venue. Never mind that many from Pune did not come because of the swine flue problem..

 

The weather was LOUSY. Yet, the hot  and muggy weather  did not stop the LGBT and their well wishers  in Mumbai taking to street on Aug 16. They turned out in huge numbers. There were celebrities like Celina Jaitely, Alaque Padamsee, Model Carol Gracias,  Professor Nandini Sardesai ( Rajdeep Sardesai’s mother)... There were many more. It was heartening to see  so many non LGBT persons  come out in support of the community. Celina came pretty late, some 45 minutes past  3 pm,  when the procession was supposed to start at 3 pm. But she did make up for it… and gave a  nice speech asking gays to  march ahead and that she would be there for the LGBT community now and for ever. Right to the end till the procession reached Chowpatty,  Celina danced , cheered and turned out to be a show stopperJ

 

The LGBT leaders too were out in full force. Ashok Rao Kavi, Prince Manvendra, Vikram Doctor, Dee, Swapan, Dibs --and all leading lights of Gaybombay, Vivek Anand and Nitin Karani of Humsafar, Anand Grover,  Laxmi Tripathi… the list is indeed long.

 

So what did I see? Umm lots of plunging necklines  ( as you can see In some of the pictures..  and no I am not a closeted heterosexual or bisexual),  wigs  and plumes and feathers of all shape, size and colour, coloruful masks, hundreds of placards that had very creative  slogans which would have  made a copywriter proud.   Those who participated  had adorned themselves in all kinds of clothes.. from traditional Indian clothes to use of saplings and  tree branches  covering the body parts strategically. Fashion designers must have really worked hard for this parade because some of the dresses on display  were the ones that you could only see on the ramp… and  may be you and me would not have the courage to wear it outside… but people did and boy they carried it off with a panache!

 

And oh yes, the dance and merry making.. the loud beat of the drums and the swirling figures  breaking into impromptu dance  every few minutes .. with gay abandon.. it  was  proof enough to believe  that the gay community is  indeed happy and gay or may be vice versa. Even  one  good looking constable (oh well good looking for me at least)  who was trying to guide the procession was breaking into a smile every few minutes even though his boss was yelling at him in Marathi and instructing  him not to let the procession stop on the way. “I am not going to allow this procession next year if you guys stop every few minutes and start dancing”, the senior Inspector scowled in Marathi at me and Anand Grover .  But, really who cared? It was our day.. the first pride parade in India after we were declared “legal”.. oh ok, the love making was declared legal if it was kept private and between two consenting adults by the Delhi High Court in July 09.

 

One look at the crowd and  it was as if hundreds of rainbows had come together. The composition of the crowd was  a mini India . And yes, class, creed , colour and religion took a back seat.  The divide between the so called upper class gays and the so called lower class  kothis  melted  in a show of solidarity.

 

For me the best part was towards the end.. when the procession had reached the shores of Chowpatty beach.  The gentle waves of Arabian Sea seem to just amble up to the shore. In stark contrast, a few hundred meters from the beach was  not so gentle, almost feverish dance  going on.. a huge group of  Karagattam transgender from Tamil Nadu   were  performing to beat of  traditional music (Karagattam is  a traditional folk dance performed in Mariamman (Devi) Temples of Tamil Nadu).  Never mind the low-end  garish make up, or their false braids.. the enthusiasm with which they danced to the  ebb and flow of drums and nads, vowed  the small crowd and  made me believe that we  can look forward to a better LGBT world because there are thousands out there who live for us and are willing to tell the world..  openly, defiantly  and proudly… that we LGBT are  as much human as the rest. ( see the last video.. I hope you like it as much I did).

 

Regards

Ketan

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